Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? ]), Made possible by our patrons, phpBB, Scryfall, and Others. 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Obeka, Brute Chronologist. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post Just wanted to say that this is a such a brilliant answer - you sound like an academic. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Let's Brew with Obeka, Brute Chronologist as our commander on. Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions. On the other hand, the phrase "at the beginning of the next end step" expresses what is called a delayed triggered ability (it has the word "at") (C.R. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? by Mimicvat 2 years ago, Post So you would then need to make a choice to not activate Obeka? This was a great tutorial and explanation of the deck, and well worth the upvote! Commander / EDH* Casual Combo Haste Jank Multiplayer Reanimator Theme/Gimmick Tokens UBR (Grixis) Unearth. A couple days ago my friend told me the heard about a quirky rules lawyer-y interaction involving [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] that I just love if it's true. As you've got access to Blue, there are a few non-Rakdos tricks you can use, the most hilarious I know of is Mass Diminish, note that it lasts until your next turn and have a good laugh. Rulings. Card Kingdom price: $0.00. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". 1x Blightstep Pathway. 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. On the other hand, neither player has any incentive to ever change their action or decision. Obeka interaction question with cards that read "next end Obeka until end of turn vs at next end step. It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. However, if this happens the game does another Cleanup Step once this one ends. 603.2). Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. 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Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. EDIT (Sep. 24, 2022): Remove a rule citation. Rulings. @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} I love commander a lot, but man the prices get me down. I play a lot of Magic. The entire reason Obeka has 'may' in the card text is to prevent this. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? Guest-only advertisements. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. 2020-11-10. Feeds | Go ahead and say nuh-uh to whatever shit is flying in your face. 2020-11-10. There is also Kardur, Doomscourge that will force everyone's hand. This site is unaffiliated. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Per the rules you linked: If two or more players are involved in maintaining a loop within a turn, each player in turn order chooses a number of iterations to perform. 603.7). you're trying to force a different outcome via infinite loop. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! Sundial of the Infinite - (G) (SF) (txt)Identity Thief - (G) (SF) (txt)Ball Lightning - (G) (SF) (txt)Heat Shimmer - (G) (SF) (txt)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. . 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. The way I understand it is the term "end of turn" is something that triggers every turn. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Post This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. But even if you somehow manage to end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) during a cleanup step, this will only move the turn to another cleanup step and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects will end during that new step (C.R. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} There is a smattering of ways you can run less lands/ramp, but these all come with downsides, but in Grixis you can run 4 solid Bounce Lands, Dimir Aqueduct and Guildless Commons should be in here as well if you want a lower land count, these let you hit another land drop when you draw them. Doesn't work at all. The active player, you, must choose a different action. Opponent says no. I wanted to ask - when you say for Delina: Don't you mean "At the end of next combat."? by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} Active player is distinct from priority. https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/, https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296. Obeka Ruling Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and we've been struggling to understand the ruling. So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. I really need more way to get haste into my deck and he seems like a pretty good add that can help cheat big dude into play that meet his restriction. Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Card Number: 289. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. We are mainly confused about at the next end step and until end of turn effects. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. by Cobara86, Time after Time You are 'looping' only before the resolution of Obeka, putting so many Obeka actions on the stack. Based on CR 722.2a. Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Obeka, Brute Chronologist (1582 decks) $13.99 $10.83 0.16 TIX Isochron Scepter $14.99 $15.68 1.01 TIX Final Fortune I figured since the tournament rules stated that the word action could essentially be substituted for choice when resolving loops it would also apply here. Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Otherwise, priority would not pass to all players during a cleanup step, and there would be no need for a second end-the-turn effect? (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Help | Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) Feeds | The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide Edit: adding comprehensive rules reference. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Combos Used In Obeka, Brute Chronologist (559 Combos) Submit your own combos and corrections to Commander Spellbook. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. This doesn't work either because you are not at the same game state after your opponent decides to not end the turn. This site is unaffiliated. They decline to end the turn. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. Pssh, the best thing about this card is the fact that it turns. Wouldn't this trigger at every end step? Priority passes to you. Obeka, Brute Chronologist 's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid." Basically, it exiles anything on the stack, you can end your turn and ignore whatever it is, usually just saying no to poopy effects. Card Text: . .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Terms of Use | Here is how it would work. That's Crazy, Just gonna comment here cos i wanna see where this is going. It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. 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But as the loop initiator, you are going to have to choose how many times you continue your loop, right? by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. They naturally refuse. Upvote 1. 514.2). 1x Command Tower. If you consistently have a fairly big creature, or one with Deathtouch and Lifelink, Chandra's Ignition is one sided by definition, one of many cards that shines brightly with Basilisk Collar (which is also very good with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage or even good old Banshee, Jaya's 6 damage wipe really is amazing if you've got Collar on her, though it'll kill her too). A player is one of the people in the game. $1.80. by Outcryqq 2 years ago, Post Rulings. Good job, WotC. Sets / Printings. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Thanks for this detailed breakdown! #EDH #Commander #MTGWe celebrate ONE YEAR of tune-ups with this patron-submitted list led by Obeka, Brute Chronologist! Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. There are two effects to look out for here. All combos are rules exploits in one way or another, this one is just more original. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. Has Purphoros been working well for you? Infinity is not a number, so you cannot select it. I learned this was against the rules when I'd shuffle my deck for free with a loop in my old Izzet deck, then try to do it again after peeking at the top card with a permanent's ability, but I was told by a player i could not due to the "you are re-looping" rule. I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. I activate Aphetto Alchemist targeting itself and Obeka. Card Kingdom Price From $0.22. Login or Register to hide these ads. The End Phase consists of two steps, the End Step and the Cleanup Step.The End Step doesn't really do much, it basically exists so that triggers looking for it can trigger and gives players a chance to do stuff before the turn ends.The Cleanup Step on the other hand does a lot. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. OP's wrong about how multi-player loops function, though. Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Commander Color Restriction Rules w/ Component Pouch. Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Obeka, Brute Chronologist can be used during opponents turns, but it is a may ability. Flip (for another land, maybe a better rock, there is Thought Vessel, but fixing is sweet in Grixis). Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard. Contact | 719.2e), and any "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects (such as "[[Identity Thief]] becomes a copy of that creature until end of turn") will end during that cleanup step (see also C.R. Artist: Jesper Ejsing. 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